Should we choose: Free energy TOTEN, energy without entropy or energy(sigma->0)?

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Should we choose: Free energy TOTEN, energy without entropy or energy(sigma->0)?

#1 Post by dyc_2008 » Mon May 14, 2012 10:34 am

dear all

I am so confused by the three type of energy.
The physics meaning of them is clear, but i just don't know how to chose the suitable one .

is there any correlation between the suitable choice and the parameters in the INCAR , such as ISMERA and IBRION?

furthermore, is there any difference between energy without entropy and energy(sigma->0)? in my opinion, when sigma->0 ,the entropy is zero.
however, in many calculations , energy without entropy and energy(sigma->0) are not equal

Thanks
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Should we choose: Free energy TOTEN, energy without entropy or energy(sigma->0)?

#2 Post by tlchan » Wed May 16, 2012 3:52 am

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furthermore, is there any difference between energy without entropy and energy(sigma->0)? in my opinion, when sigma->0 ,the entropy is zero. however, in many calculations , energy without entropy and energy(sigma->0) are not equal
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For energy (sigma->0), I think there is an extrapolation formula to estimate the value of the total energy corresponding to sigma=0 by using a sigma>0 result. The total energy without entropy simply subtracts the electronic thermal energy away from the calculated total energy.
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Should we choose: Free energy TOTEN, energy without entropy or energy(sigma->0)?

#3 Post by dyc_2008 » Wed May 16, 2012 3:56 am

that is a very brilliant interpretation
thank you so much
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Re: Should we choose: Free energy TOTEN, energy without entropy or energy(sigma->0)?

#4 Post by KWH » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:29 pm

I could use some help with this. In the O atom example on the Wiki, it says to use the "energy without entropy" for atoms and molecules. Other sources say use the sigma>0 approx always. This becomes especially important in desorption calculations where we are taking differences between systems using fermi smearing and gaussian smearing.

Can someone enlighten me on this issue?

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Re: Should we choose: Free energy TOTEN, energy without entropy or energy(sigma->0)?

#5 Post by fabien_tran1 » Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:50 pm

SIGMA should be primarily considered as a "technical" parameter for the integration into the Brillouin zone. In some cases, like the O atom, the entropy term can be much larger (than in bulk metals) and become unphysical (see wiki/index.php/O_atom). Note also that the default value of SIGMA is 0.2 eV, which corresponds to a temperature of about 2000 K.

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Re: Should we choose: Free energy TOTEN, energy without entropy or energy(sigma->0)?

#6 Post by fabien_tran1 » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:01 pm

You can also have a look at ISMEAR.

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